No time and place for bars in Bo-Kaap

No time and place for bars in Bo-Kaap
08 Comments
 
  1. Diaan

    Someone should hit this fucker in the pie-hole. These conservative assholes shouldn't be given a voice, they should be given hard labour and bread and water for meals. (rant over)

  2. novocaine

    The bar in question obtained their liquor license without any community consultation and I think community consultation is important. Bo-Kaap is one of the few real communities left in the city area and that community is becoming increasingly threatened. Bo-Kaap is a also historically Muslim area.

    All they are asking is that the restaurant not serve alcohol, it is also situated next to what I think is the oldest mosque in Bo-Kaap. You don't hear of protests like this coming from Pinelands where they will never allow a bar to operate. But then, the Pineland's residents have more weight behind them.

    I'm pretty anti-gentrification. One settler one bullet.

  3. Uno

    @Novocaine: I tend to agree with Diaan on this one (although not as harshly, there are some orifices I'd rather leave alone).

    There's a lot of hipocrisy from these so called community leaders, if you hear someone like James Matthews describing the Bo-kaap of his youth, there was a shebeen on every corner, it wasn't such a stuck up muslim community as it is now, he even jokes about the houses painted in different colors. To put it in other words, this 21st century Bo-kaap is an invention for turists, postcards and a bunch of muslim extremists.

    These leaders behave the same way Zuma does, in order to gather support they defend certain "cultural" values that they know will have a certain popular appeal amongst the older, more conservative members.
    Meanwhile, behind their backs they do all kinds of shady deals (mainly with land use), with no respect for those same values or for the poorest and voiceless members of that same community.

    If they really want to return to a certain ideal 19th century society and feel that their youth might feel threatened and tempted to belong to a more diverse society, shouldn't they ban cars (especially luxury MERCEDES and BMWs) and start walking, stop selling Coca Cola and other cool drinks, cellphones, internet and all products of modern society and start only riding horse and cart, make all women wear burkas and not use electricity at all?

  4. Uno

    It's also about time South Africa ends this stupid law of not selling alchool on a Sunday and after 5, it's only allowing a few businesses to have an after hours monopoly or informal market operations that push prices up and makes people have to drive stupid distances for a bottle of wine or a six pack to take to that last minute get together. How unsustainable isn't this? And does anyone have any proof that it drops alchoolism numbers down. (double rant).

  5. novocaine

    I used to live in Bo-Kaap, and I'm yet to have a run in with any of these so-called extremists. On the other hand I have Muslim friends who's families have been living there for years and years. My ex neighbour there lives in a house 200 years old. The first time Afrikaans was written was at a mosque in the Bo-Kaap written phonetically in Arabic script. It also used to be called the Malay Quarter. There's a lot of history there.

    It's political. Why is it that arbitrary by-laws get passed all over the place, how high you can have your fence, no liquor stores in the neighbourhood etc when it comes to white neighbourhoods but this is such a huge problem?

    I support the protesters. They should be able to decide what goes on in their neighbourhoods within the law. Regardless of who they are. The question is, why are they not succeeding while others are? Why are their values worth less?

    Diaan, in being intolerant towards their values, is being intolerant himself.

  6. Uno

    I worked next to a mosque in the Bo-kaap for 6 years until 2 months ago and I've never met such self righteous and intolerant muslims (I grew up in Mozambique, a lot of my best friends are muslim and half my wife's family is also muslim).

    My opinion about liquor by-laws is the same for any neighbourhood, not only the Bo-kaap.

    What comes next? A gate at the entrance to check your boot for bacon, booze and scarves on ladies heads?

  7. novocaine

    The point is liquor by-laws exist in some white suburbs, notably Pinelands, already!

    So why is white privilege a better reason for a by-law than a religious preference?

  8. Palapala

    "" God is dead ", and who was killed modernity itself,

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