wow, that's a long url.
wow, that's a long url.
Hmm... I'm going to try submit some of the Roller Derby photos, who knows, maybe they like em.
Submitted, got confirmation. Now to wait and hope.
Yes.
I am thinking a knowledge repository.
You know including common information on where to print, where to buy material and equipment, where to fix cameras, where to get equipment for hire.
Tutorials on how to do stuff: bokeh, tilt-shifting, free lensing, studio lighting, post production, apps to aid in photography;
almost like a wiki, and yes, a forum to discuss things related to photography not only technical but also the role of photography in society, type of things.
Wait, I just thought we need to do a photography-meet up.
yeah.
Oh, yes, it can also be used to organise meetups and stuff like that.
Im up for a meet-up.... Really wanna meet the peeps behind the pics!
where meet ups are concerned... i think theres been some talks but never actual actions leading to them, how about a random weekend, either a saturday or sunday we set up a facebook event (i think we are all on facebook) and just do it... come one come all type of thing... i dont know,
what u think?
The repository will definately be useful.
and a meet up is a bit overdue.
it all sounds good to me, love the knowledge repository part of it.
Awe!
Maybe part of the meet-up could be a chance to discuss idea around 75?
So when do we meet?
I have a really bad track record for attending events, so I'll just shut up and see what everyone else says first.
Nah, Diaan.
You sparked the match! You can't just sit back.
So the question how much do we all need to schedule a meet-up? one week? two weeks? three weeks? a month? from now?
:P
I can't think more than a few weeks in advance, and I'm not too busy at the moment, so how about between 1 and 4 weeks from now?
Ok.
Lets say, on the 30th of June? We can use this date at a mark to see who is available and who is not and change it if need be to accommodate everybody?
im in durban that weekend but if the majority is available i shall hear all about it upon my return
The 30th is bloody far and prolly winter will be too cold
How about we meet next week?
@Seilatsatsi: Hmmm,,, lets see, a what dates would work for you?
@Karabo: yeah, 30th is far, but odds are we all got things to do; hence a late date so people can make the meet-up what they will do, have time to plan for it.
But, if we can meet next week so shall it be.
camping on the weekend of the 30th, free for karabo's next week.
im free next week too
I free next week...
Free next week. Well, most days.
How is the weekend looking for yáll?
Eish, the weekend is the 16th of June, should we make it the 17th on Sunday?
Either are good for me so far.
Awesome! 16 or 17th provincial.
*dances*
i vote for 17th June
17th seems like it.
So, then next question is: where? What is central to all and accessible? Somewhere warm though, this Winter is making it hard to even type these words.
How about somewhere near Arts on Main, considering it's a Sunday so the place should be nice and lively? There are a few places around there that could be possibilities. I'll leave the other suggestions up to the Joburg locals since they're bound to have loads of ideas.
Word, Arts on Main could work! Plus its a market thing magic right? I like it.
Eish, I've just been informed that on Sunday it's Father's day.
Father's day is non-event for me, so those of you that do celebrate it, should we move the date or reschedule the time we meet?
Yeah, it's a market day. As for father's day, my father is touring France with my stepmom, so as long as I send an sms I'm safe.
If we move it to Saturday the market vibes could still work, I'm sure there are some cool (aka, warm and cozy) places near the neighbourhoods goods market, or whatever it's called.
Im game for any day
Yeah, there is the Great Dane spot opposite the "neighbourgoods market" and next to Kitchners.
I suppose Saturday could work, considering it's only Youth Day, we would have no obligations.
Awe!
Late night idea: how about a very short collab, something random we can do at the meetup, kinda like a theme, just location based instead.
I am game!
:)
Saturday, Braamfontein (Neighbourgoods Market + Great Dane)
Time will be when the market opens I suppose right?
I've been quite unhappy about the ANC's handling of the situation, especially their self-serving rhetoric. I think the work is valid criticism of a president that's seen by many to care more for fucking than for governing.
I hate that in this issue as most others our public discourse is not driven by our intellectuals, but by a lowest common denominator.
That off my chest... I've been staying out of the debate because of a fear of being made a target because I am, to use the rhetoric of the ANC, merely a "privileged white liberal" and as such a prime target for the hate that has been thrown around. Since I don't like feeling the hate, I shut up. (And so the self-censorship starts.)
Diaan, this shiiii is deep and real. for every right we have a responsibility. flip. we can go on and on. but you know, our circumstances as nation create the blur lines of our every existence and being. I'm an artist. I'm not a politician. I'm human, therefore understand everyones views and plays devils advocate to do so. so many over whelming things go on.
God bless South Africa, thats all
and so we read the following deep pieces that make one wonder.
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/I-am-a-racist-20120522
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/05/27/why-malindi-cried
saddening things
@ Thato: why did you remove your previous comment? I really enjoyed it.
I'll come back to this, once my thoughts are coherent.
I am not rational, when my thoughts make me angry.
Well, its quite an intense topic to handle and everyone has their views. yesterday i copied and emailed my girlfriend an article from NEWS24 titled 'I AM RACIST'. I was truly in favour of the article, whilst my lady wrote me an email expressing her views on the topic and how inconsiderate and narrow minded some people are. Now, I've set the grounds on which i will express my view, it starts with the changing of street names, the passing through of odd bills that censor us, and now the deep debate on how this picture here is derogatory and disrespectful. i believe, history is what makes us who we are, whether it was formed on brutal and bad things, it happened, why are we to erase it like it never happened? why do we want to change street names of generals and people who ruled the earths ages and ages ago. what reference of history will we have to point back at them, money spent change doing these things could easily be put into the lives of poverty stricken BLACK people that make up the majority of their votes. but yes, the ANC, has eventually brainwashed our people. We stick to the fact that they won us our freedom and we are who we are because of fallen warriors and respectful dignitaries, holding onto that is what they use to run things.
We will not let THEM take over us again, silly things like that. How does that make us a rainbow nation and democracy if we still regard our fellow white, indian, colored brothers and sisters as THEM, an supposed threat to the democracy we live. now what has become scary is how this one streamlined way of thinking is what they use to remain in power, we speak of change, but if we heading the ways of zimbabwe where government won't accept competition and people won't open their eyes to what is really happening then this is sad. I will honestly walk around with a tshirt saying I AM RACIST because it seems as though if any one other than a black person did something wrong, they are racist, then i too, a black man should fall under the same criteria. Im sick of how this nation is being divided by the government because of their silly moves. An artist to fellow artists, i will seriously rock tshirts that say I'm a racist just to save our freedom of expression coz guess what? If Brett Murray gets away with this, they'll try change the bill, and if he doesn't, they'll probably do it anyway. I'm not angry about the painting, what angers me is the amp they use against him. That coz he is white, his intentions are to harm the presidents image. whatever, they should throw away their rhetorical tactic of racism. That word will no longer have meaning, if they dnt even know what it means. I hope I'm understood.
@numero uno. this topic is so huge heyyy. ones views are like a can of worms. u know. u can't believe in the devil and not believe theres a God. I understand zumas rage and the disrespect of his rights as a human, even more so as the head of state, but i too believe that we are entitled to the freedom of expression and artist work without being judged by the very constitution that put it into place. We are in need of a revolt that will change the democratic constitution that is killing us. thieves roam the streets wit more rights than there victims, officials are living extravagantly with the very money they don't need but should put into building the country, i too am against the fact that are rainbow nation and we sought change but we are still divided when we can use statements like THEM referring to fellow bro's and sisters that know nothing about Europe and they are purely african, like our bro diaan over here. but we are A RAINBOW NATION. emotions run wild in everyone when topics like this come up but its unfortunate that the less fortunate and less educated never understand that its not the faults of anyone else that we are in this state but out government's. yes, apartheid lived but when it ended, we were meant to start a fresh and build on new grounds. like when u fail a paper, and are given the chance to rewrite, u can't blame the paper u failed for the mistakes you made in this one. its all just so disheartening. ye.
Thank you Thato. I know the topic is huge and I'm also divided in my views but events like these open up a space where these discussions become public and involve the whole country, it's almost like a referendum. There are so many different discussions that can take shape from the painting and the reactions to it but I feel that at the moment the debate is too narrow.
Thank you for the links, I enjoyed the second one more though, better written and less angry.
Also on Wikipedia. Copy and paste, the automatic link maker isn't happy with the last bracket.
*eish, another thing to work on.
I think the article on africasacountry.com sums the situation up nicely. http://africasacountry.com/2012/05/25/this-is-not-about-art/
As for that "I am a racist", I agree with the writer, she is a racist, nothing more - I can't believe so many people responded positively to that article.
I agree, that "I am a racist" article was one of the worst pieces of tripe I've had the displeasure of reading in years. See what I mean when I say that our public discourse is no longer driven by intellectuals, but by the lowest common denominator? That's a prime example.
I with Diaan. I had a similar discourse with a friend yesterday and we agreed on that: "our public discourse is no longer driven by intellectuals"
Oh man! And now the media is trying to keep momentum going by picking on Vusi.
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/06/01/et-painting-has-humour---vlismas
On his Facebook Vusi said:
"the sowetan wants to write about my new painting E.T. FRAMED, i hope i wont be lynched by the people. i think it will be joint venture,the right wing,the anc,the drunk next door,the post man, the domestic worker and the taxi driver, wink wink"
His next update was:
"jurnalist turning me words around, but dats the nature of the beast!"
@Diaan, totally.
the art that all of this pivots on is as unoriginal as the turmoil it has propagated.
@Sweetoof, I take it you are simply referring to the unoriginality of what it *looks* like, because the symbolism is frightfully original my man.
the imagery yes. i guess if you want people to get it, you just have to give it to them... straight. the rest of his Hali to the Thief series is interesting
I am in!
add me please thabo monaheng on fb
aight!
I'm in.
I thought this comment by Buchu would be more appropriate here and not on my photo.
"This is a great shot, she's beautiful and well done... however (now this part is probably going to make sure I become very unpopular and don't get any <3's on 75 for a while) I don't like Afrika Burn at all. Admittedly I have never been but read my reasoning anyway...
I think it's elitist, it pretends to be progressive and inclusive but actually its a bunch of middle class (in Cape Town the middle class is mostly white) hippies, hipsters and yuppies who think going into the desert for a few days tripping to rave music and whatever else they play is somehow an enlightening experience. To get there you have to have your own car or at least access to a car... and not everyone does. They say it's all about sharing, creating, being part of a community, etc but why don't they rather focus on building communities where they live?
And why is it so expensive to get it in, if you have to 'create' the festival?
At the end of the day there is nothing 'wrong' with it but I don't see anything right either."
I agree with Buchu and share the same sentiments. I love the art part of the festival and dig the ideas of sharing and skill swapping. It must be cool to live in a Utopia even for a little while. (if you have the money to pay for it)
I do feel its exclusionary on levels of class and ultimately race though and this is why I've never wanted to go.
it may sound like a broken record but until things continue to stay the way they are or under the guise of change continue to do what they have always done, it is worth every mention.
if its not a battle of race, its consequentially one of class.
I'm with Greer and Buchu.
This is the dialogue, the conversation as it happens within the notes.
RJD2 - Ghostwriter was playing when this part was built.
Word.
lebogang nkoane
I think we need a "Coffee Room" to discuss that — there is lot to shared and learnt.